Tonex One preset switching with usb port midi messages

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Tonex One preset switching with usb port midi messages

Postby joanesinu » Tue Jun 18, 2024 7:40 pm

Hello,

A time ago I contacted IK multimedia asking if midi switching with the usb port on the tonex one was possible. They told me it wasn't possible.

Guess what.. This dude on the video did just exactly that...

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1399500400767319

Did anyone else tried this?

I've been asking for ages to add the preset bypass disable to the normal tonex because it make the unit footswitches useless in live situation, where a misstep can turn on the bypass and you are f-ed up. So, I use a midi switcher.

If this is possible I will swap the normal one for tonex one.
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Re: Tonex One preset switching with usb port midi messages

Postby CliveHawnt » Fri Aug 16, 2024 4:54 pm

They are correct, there is no Midi control possible over the USB port. What this guy is doing is interpreting Midi messages into Tonex control stream data format into the USB, there's still no midi going into the Tonex..
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Re: Tonex One preset switching with usb port midi messages

Postby Starblood » Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:20 pm

Excuse my ignorance, but what do we see as the main barrier to implementation of USB MIDI on the Tonex One?

The hardware requirement is the USB port, the USB to MIDI convertor block is software, isn't it? A collection of mappings from endpoints to entities and external ports?

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Re: Tonex One preset switching with usb port midi messages

Postby Jplee3 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 6:32 pm

Starblood wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but what do we see as the main barrier to implementation of USB MIDI on the Tonex One?

The hardware requirement is the USB port, the USB to MIDI convertor block is software, isn't it? A collection of mappings from endpoints to entities and external ports?

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There have been two recurring arguments against MIDI (both of which I wholeheartedly disagree with)

1) Adding midi will "cannibalize" and steal sales from the original Tonex pedal

2) What do you expect for a sub-$200 device?


Adding even a limited midi implementation (e.g. mapping each preset to a PC code and that's it... of course, now with the new FX they really should add MIDI support to control the FX) would be fine. There are still many users out there who want the original Tonex pedal for the extended tactile controls AND ability to store many more amp models. Adding a simple MIDI implementation to the One would likely bolster the sales of the One (especially if they were to release another firmware update that adds this...hint hint) and make them stand-out as the true market leader in this regard. But I don't think it would hurt or take away sales from the original Tonex pedal any more...

Also, there are sub-$200 devices that exist that have said simple midi implementation - look at the Zoom multi-stomp devices. MIDI over USB and you can find some of those multistomps (MS50G) for less than $100. Cost to implement MIDI (especially considering this should be capable via software/firmware) is a non-factor (to point #2 about people "expecting too much" from this device). IMO, adding a limited MIDI implementation (PC codes for the presets and maybe some CCs for basic controls of the FX) would very much be a strategic decision at this point and I believe it would, like I set, really set them apart and make them a real 'threat' even as a "multiFX" competitor.
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Re: Tonex One preset switching with usb port midi messages

Postby Peter_IK » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:33 pm

Note those arguments are not attributed to IK but made by other users.

The other reply is also correct that the existing tool is translating MIDI into other types of messages since TONEX ONE does not have MIDI support.
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Re: Tonex One preset switching with usb port midi messages

Postby Jplee3 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:47 pm

Peter_IK wrote:Note those arguments are not attributed to IK but made by other users.

The other reply is also correct that the existing tool is translating MIDI into other types of messages since TONEX ONE does not have MIDI support.



Thanks for the response :)

If there's absolutely no way to introduce native MIDI support on the Tonex One itself, is there a chance this might be introduced in the official Tonex app in the future (for both Android and IOS)? ;) It would be amazing to be able to have full control over the device even via the app (which could presumably connect to a BT MIDI footswitch device to extend control...)
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Re: Tonex One preset switching with usb port midi messages

Postby Peter_IK » Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:01 pm

We've announced that the next major update post-FX will be an editor. But I've also relayed the current workaround approach to the team in case there's a way to implement something in the future as far as translation to any proprietary messages if possible, etc.
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Re: Tonex One preset switching with usb port midi messages

Postby Jplee3 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:02 pm

Peter_IK wrote:We've announced that the next major update post-FX will be an editor. But I've also relayed the current workaround approach to the team in case there's a way to implement something in the future as far as translation to any proprietary messages if possible, etc.


Thanks again! Sounds very promising :D
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