Ultimate AT5 Input Gain List

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Ultimate AT5 Input Gain List

Postby Matthias Mueller » Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:03 pm

Hi,

I know many of us have the same question: how to set up your input gain correctly in AT5?

Because of this i decided to make a list with every amp and its optimal input gain.

If you want to know more about why we need such a list, please read this thread first:
https://cgi.ikmultimedia.com/ikforum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=29580

Here are some "rules" i would like to implement here:
- If you have any questions about the setup. Please use the thread posted above for this.
- If you have any questions about why this all matters. Again, please read and use the thread i posted above.
- If you still think it is not important and/or you dont want to use it. Please ignore this thread and do it the way you did before. No one here tells anybody how he must do it.
- This thread is NOT about getting "good" tone. This thread is about getting the correct response from the Amp, so that it behaves as close as possible to the real deal!
- Please keep in mind that this is made from users for users and is not an official list. Official numbers can only be provided by IK Multimedia.

- Use this thread to tell your experience. Tell me/us whitch amps you think are right or wrong. If they are wrong for you, please give a suggestion what you think is the correct value. I'm very happy to read your comments and make changes to the list according to your feedback. I think if we work together on this, we can get pretty accurate results :)

Okay, how does it work now?

At first you need to get your interface calibrated to 1VAC = 0dbFS.
I will explain an easy way to do this here but you can find different ways in the link above.

- First set your Interface gain of your Hi-Z/Instrument input to 0 (all the way left)
- Next you need to find out how much Headroom your Interface provides on this Input. You will find this Information in the manual or specs of your Interface or on the web.
Example: +12dbu (@0dbFS) or Maximum input level @+4 dBu, Gain 0 dB: +13 dBu
- Now, you will need to add +0,79db to this number.
Example: +12,79 or +13,79
- Next thing is to boost this value before the amp. I would suggest you do this with a seperate gain plugin if you are inside a DAW or with the input slider if you use the standalone version.
- Congratulation, you now have this input calibratet to 0VAC = 0dbFS.
(- IF, you have problems with Noise (and only then!) you can split it and boost eg. 6db directly on the Interface/Preamp and the other 6.79 in Amplitube, but make sure you dont clip on your Interface)
- Use this setting regardless whitch guitar you plug in!
- The last step is to boost the number from the list for your amp. If you are in a DAW you can use again a second gain plugin or the input slider. You can also use a clean/digital pedal or rack module for this (eg. Slash booster, graphic/parametric EQ, etc...)
-Enjoy :)
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Re: Ultimate AT5 Input Gain List

Postby Matthias Mueller » Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:04 pm

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Re: Ultimate AT5 Input Gain List

Postby Matthias Mueller » Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:40 pm

Fender 1
'57 Champ.................................0
'57 Deluxe.................................0
'59 Bassman LTD..........................0
'64 Vibroverb Custom....................0
'65 Deluxe Reverb........................0
'65 Twin Reverb...........................0
'65 Princeton..............................0
Bassman 300............................../
Champion 600............................0
MH-500 Metalhead.......................? (0?)
Pro Junior.................................0
Super-Sonic (“burn” channel).........0
TBP-1....................................../
Vibro-King................................0

Fender 2
'53 Bassman...............................? (~ 0?)
'57 Bandmaster...........................? (~ 0?)
'57 Custom Champ®.....................0
'57 Custom Deluxe.......................0
'57 Custom Pro-Amp.....................0
'57 Custom Twin-Amp...................0
'65 Super Reverb.........................0

Slash
AFD 100...................................0
JCM Slash.................................? (~ +30?)

Brian May
BM 30......................................0
BM 30 Gain Boost Low...................+23?
BM 30 Gain Boost High..................+46
BM DK....................................../

Dr. Z
MAZ 18 Jr.................................+20
Z Wreck...................................+35

Jet City
JCA20H....................................+10
JCA100H..................................+20

THD
THD Bi-Valve (Low Input)...............0
THD Bi-Valve (High Input)...............? (+20?)

Carvin
V3M.........................................+15

Gallien Krueger

MB 150 S.................................../

Dimebag Darrell - CFH

Darrell 100................................+15
Jazz Amp 120 CFH.......................0 (maybe +5)

ENGL

E650........................................0
Powerball..................................+10

Orange
AD 200...................................../
AD 30......................................+10
Dual Terror................................+10
OR 50......................................+10
OR-120....................................+15
RockerVerb 50...........................+15
Thunderverb 200........................? dont know whats going on there, sounds broken.... so ...0?
Tiny Terror................................-+25

Mesa Boogie 1

Dual Rectifier.............................+10
Triple Rectifier...........................+10
Mark III....................................? (+10?)
Mark IV....................................+10
TransAtlantic TA-30.....................+10

Mesa Boogie 2
California Tweed........................./ (i don’t own)
Mark V...................................../ (i don’t own)
Triple Crown............................../ (i don’t own)
Mark IIC+................................../ (i don’t own)

Joe Satriani
Boston 100................................? (0?)
Satch VM..................................0
SJ50.......................................0

Leslie
122........................................./
122A......................................./
147........................................./
3300W...................................../
G37/Studio12............................/

Jimi Hendrix

American Vintage B.....................+5
American Vintage D.....................+5
American Vintage T......................+5
British Lead S100........................+5
JH 1200.................................../
JH Gold...................................+5
SilverTwelve.............................+5

Amplitube Metal

Metal Clean T.............................+5
Metal Lead T..............................+5
Metal Lead V..............................+5
Metal Lead W.............................+5
Vintage Metal Lead......................+5

Amplitube SVX 1

SVX-15R.................................../
SVX-500.................................../
SVX-CL..................................../
SVX-PRO................................../

Amplitube SVX 2

SVX-15N.................................../
SVX-4B...................................../
SVX-VR...................................../

AmpliTube
360Bass Preamp........................../
American Clean MKIII...................+5
American Lead MKIII....................+5
American Tube Clean 1.................+5
American Tube Clean 2.................+5
American Tube Vintage.................+5
Brit 8000..................................0
Brit 9000..................................0
Brit Silver.................................0
Brit Valve Pre............................0
British Blue Tube 30TB..................0
British Copper 30TB.....................0
British Tube Lead 1......................+5
British Tube Lead 2......................+5
Custom Modern Hi-Gain.................? 0 ?
Custom Solid State Clean...............? 0 ?
Custom Solid State Fuzz................? 0 ?
Custom Solid State Lead................? 0 ?
German 34................................0
Green BA250............................./
HiAmp.....................................? (-10?)
Jazz Amp 120............................0 (maybe +5)
MiniPlex 20...............................0
Modern Tube Lead.......................+5
New York B750.........................../
Red Pig....................................0
SilverPlate 50............................0
SLD 100...................................0
Solid State Bass Preamp................/
Tube Vintage Combo....................0
VHandcraft 4.............................0
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Re: Ultimate AT5 Input Gain List

Postby jjguitar » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:11 pm

Matthias Mueller wrote:Example: +12dbu (@0dbFS) or Maximum input level @+4 dBu, Gain 0 dB: +13 dBu
- Now, you will need to add +0,79db to this number.
Example: +12,79 or +13,79


I use a Zoom UAC-2 audio interface which has a MAXIMUM INPUT LEVEL: +12 dBu (@0dBFs).
So I have to raise the input slider in Amplitube at +13.79 no matter which guitar with passive pickups I use. Is this right?

If I use IK´s AXE I/O how should I set the input slider?
https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/a ... hp?p=specs

Thank you very much for the list :!: I have to try this when I make new presets.
Gear: Amplitube 5
Guitars: Heritage H-150, Gibson LP, Melancon Strat, Haar Strat, ESP Ron Wood Tele w/ stainless steel frets
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Re: Ultimate AT5 Input Gain List

Postby Matthias Mueller » Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:10 am

jjguitar wrote:I use a Zoom UAC-2 audio interface which has a MAXIMUM INPUT LEVEL: +12 dBu (@0dBFs).
So I have to raise the input slider in Amplitube at +13.79 no matter which guitar with passive pickups I use. Is this right?


+12,79, active pickups, passive pickups, single coil, humbucker... doesn't matter

jjguitar wrote:If I use IK´s AXE I/O how should I set the input slider?
https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/a ... hp?p=specs


Configuration: Hi-Z instrument preamp
Input level, min gain: 0 dBFS is obtained with a +14 dBu signal at the TS input

... +14.79
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Re: Ultimate AT5 Input Gain List

Postby jjguitar » Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:16 pm

THANK YOU very much! This is very helpful :D
Gear: Amplitube 5
Guitars: Heritage H-150, Gibson LP, Melancon Strat, Haar Strat, ESP Ron Wood Tele w/ stainless steel frets
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Re: Ultimate AT5 Input Gain List

Postby Matthias Mueller » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:52 pm

EDIT:
This only works if you use amplitube without distortion pedals. You can still use some pedals like Clean Boost, EQ or some Modulation Effects. But at the moment i can not tell you exactly whitch pedals will work or not.
If you want to use distortion pedals you would need to find a pedal(-plugin) that works also with 1VAC=0dbFS (eg. Audi****y,i think).
Your chain should look like this:
1VAC=0dbFS calibration - pedal - boost/cut from the list - amp
In theory it should work like this but its not entirely tested!

Here is a video that will help you to find the input headroom of your interface. (thanks to machinated)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXKZqJtjLkg

And, again please keep in mind that the numbers in this list are starting points. I rely on your feedback to make it as accurate as possible!
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Re: Ultimate AT5 Input Gain List

Postby Matthias Mueller » Sun Sep 03, 2023 8:00 am

Update:

This list is outdated!
Please google the thread title if you want to see the updated version.
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