Miroslav Multi and key switching

[eitarokawaguchi]

I just purchased Miroslav Phil, and am pleased with the sounds of solo string instruments.
I am, however, disappointed that it lacks articulation key switching.
Having to switch MIDI CH to select articulations in Multi setup is not convenient for me.
I tried 'channel-solo'ing trick via control change (71-74, 91-94) but this does not work well because it cuts sound off abruptly.
I see that Sample Tank 3 has key switched multi's.
My question is:
With ST3 is it possible to construct user defined key switching when you import Miroslav sounds?
Thank you for any help on this.

Eitaro Kawaguchi

[DarkStar]

Hello eitarokawaguchi and welcome to the forum.

ST3 does have (30-35?) orchestral Key-Switched instruments (and about 20-25 others).

users cannot define / alter the key-switching. But this feature has been requested.

[eitarokawaguchi]

Thank you for the quick response.
As another user posted, is there a downloadable file (before buying ST3) that contains list of (KS identified) instruments in ST3?
Thank you again.

[DarkStar]

All the Sounds are listed here (click on [More Info] in each category, but not just the key-switched ones.

Oops, I omitted the link:
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/sampletank3/index.php?pp=sampletank-3-sounds


Expand the category you are interested in and use the Browser Search to find the "KS" ones.

Or (based on the instrument names) ...
... Big pic: http://i.imgur.com/aSHM3Pr.png

[anp27]

I just purchased Miroslav Phil, and am pleased with the sounds of solo string instruments.
I am, however, disappointed that it lacks articulation key switching.
Having to switch MIDI CH to select articulations in Multi setup is not convenient for me.
I tried 'channel-solo'ing trick via control change (71-74, 91-94) but this does not work well because it cuts sound off abruptly.
I see that Sample Tank 3 has key switched multi's.
My question is:
With ST3 is it possible to construct user defined key switching when you import Miroslav sounds?

Hey Eitaro, which DAW do you use? If you use Logic Pro X, I might be able to provide the ultimate solution for your Miroslav Philharmonik key switching woes. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7gqsCzxY8M

[eitarokawaguchi]

All the Sounds are listed here(click on [More Info] in each category, but not just the key-switched ones.
Expand the category you are interested in and use the Browser Search to find the "KS" ones.

Thank you for the info. The PNG is a big help. But I fail to see where 'here' above is...(missing h-link?)

Hey Eitaro, which DAW do you use? If you use Logic Pro X, I might be able to provide the ultimate solution for your Miroslav Philharmonik key switching woes. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7gqsCzxY8M

Thank you. I shall save your info for future reference.
I don't have a 'DAW' other than Adobe Audition 3, whose MIDI functions seem rather limited.
I use Overture to enter/control music.

[DarkStar]

Oops, I omitted the link:
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/sampletank3/index.php?pp=sampletank-3-sounds

(now added to my earlier post, too)

[anp27]

Thank you. I shall save your info for future reference. I use Oveture to enter/control music.

Oh ok, well, if you ever move over to using a Mac and Logic Pro X, hit me up. I would be happy to help. I checked out Overture 4, and it seems to support key switching though I don't own the software so I don't know how to do it. Actually there is a notation software called Notion 5 that supports Miroslav Philharmonik directly, I think there are templates to use the Miroslav library specifically. You are able to insert key switches into your score and the articulations will play back perfectly. You should actually check Notion out because this sounds like the type of thing you're trying to do it seems..

[eitarokawaguchi]

Many thanks to DarkStar & anp27 for the useful info!

[mansook]

If you use Logic Pro X, I might be able to provide the ultimate solution for your Miroslav Philharmonik key switching woes. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7gqsCzxY8M[/quote]

I am a Logic Pro User, and am inquiring whether the Key switching software by AG would work with MP 1.1.2 through STCS 3?

[anp27]

I am a Logic Pro User, and am inquiring whether the Key switching software by AG would work with MP 1.1.2 through STCS 3?

The AG Toolkit requires Logic 10.x. What is STCS 3?

[mansook]

The AG Toolkit requires Logic 10.x. What is STCS 3?

Great to know that it works with Miroslav v 1.1.2 and thanks for your prompt reply.
I am using Logic 10.3.3. (STCS) Sample Tank Custom Shop 3. Cheers.

[anp27]

The AG Toolkit requires Logic 10.x. What is STCS 3?

Great to know that it works with Miroslav v 1.1.2 and thanks for your prompt reply.
I am using Logic 10.3.3. (STCS) Sample Tank Custom Shop 3. Cheers.[/quote]
Yeah, the AG Toolkit will work flawlessly on 10.3.3. Have fun!

[Ace_of_DiscaL]

Hello eitarokawaguchi and welcome to the forum.

ST3 does have (30-35?) orchestral Key-Switched instruments (and about 20-25 others).

users cannot define / alter the key-switching. But this feature has been requested.

Is this still the case with Miroslav Philharmonik 2 in 2024?

[Trensharo]

A couple of years ago I uploaded a full set of Expression Maps to the Cakewalk forum, but I don't post there anymore and I'm not sure if they are still accessible. I did the entire ST3/4 MAX Libraries as well as Philharmonik 2 - including the Philharmonik 1 Instruments in there.

You can try searching there and see if they are still available.

Not going to help for live playing, but helps for composition in a DAW - where I don't think there is any practical reason to care about where the key switches are mapped. You just use the map and pencil them in as needed.

I only did Cubase Expression Maps, because Dorico, Cakewalk and Digital Performer can import them... and there is an online utility to convert them to Studio One Sound Variations. It's kind of the MusicXML of the Articulation Mapping scene, at this point