Choke open Hi-hat from midi CC pedal

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Choke open Hi-hat from midi CC pedal

Postby mapeje » Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:13 am

Hi. I am using Modo Drum with Reaper controlled by an Alesis Samplepad. To simulate a hi-hat, I use a midi expression pedal through Blueboard.
Everything works really well, I can control the open/close by the pedal, but the open hi-hat rings out even when I close the pedal and hit again.
I have searched many forums for a solution. There are ways using midi choke plugin, but that only works if open and close are on separate midi note.

Is there a solution to choke the open hi-hat when CC goes to 0 or 127? Perhaps you should trigger Foot Close everytime you close (CC 0 or 127) and choke if you hit the closed hi-hat?

Or could the sound be monophonic so next sound choke previous?

Best Regards,

/Martin
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Re: Choke open Hi-hat from midi CC pedal

Postby banned » Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:01 pm

I ran across this very problem within minutes of trying MODO DRUM for the first time, and it was a major disappointment. It seems self evident that most of us are interested in physical modelling drums because it enables expressive realism. Using samples for cymbals is already taking quite a shortcut, but this completely unrealistic hihat pedal action is quite the complete opposite of expressive realism, right?

In any case, if you happen to be using Ableton Live, I made a quick and dirty Max patch that does what you also suggest: whenever the pedal closes, it triggers the "foot close" sound. To be precise: that's not exactly what you wrote; since I don't see the point of triggering or choking any sound "when CC goes to [...] 127" - but that would be easy to accomplish as well, if so desired. (The "dirty" part is that it simply uses a fixed (maximum) velocity, because calculating how fast the pedal drops would get much more complicated while only adding a bit of realism.)

This should (1) ensure that any still ringing hihat sound gets choked when the pedal is closed, and also (2) triggers the "foot close" sound when just moving the pedal up and down without hitting the hihat. If anything, it could save us the trouble of having to inspect CC# values and manually add "foot close" notes where appropriate.

I'm sure it's trivially easy to achieve the same result in many other hosts, e.g. in Bitwig's Note Grid, using JS in REAPER, etc. I just don't see why the programmers of MODO DRUM did not think of adding such functionality already, but let's hope that it will be included in some (minor, i.e. non-paid) update (sooner rather than later).

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