by n2mpujack » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:48 am
by squeezenor » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:40 am
) so it was just dumb luck that I happened to see the email at the time of release. 
I'm not a big enough Mesa fan to know what's missing that should be included in a future bundle, maybe their pedals? That could be fun. I wonder why they don't do pedal collaborations any more.by Yash » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:47 pm
) )by Yash » Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:07 pm
Marshall Signature (Brit Signature) Collectionby carlaz » Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:22 pm
Yash wrote:- ENGL Savage 120
- ENGL Invader II
- ENGL Powerball II
- ENGL Fireball (with Marty Friedman and Mille Petrozza modes?)
The E650 (i.e., Blackmore) is kind of a lost classic that doesn't get enough love; it can get modern-ish metal tones, but also more classic tones.Yash wrote:- Diezel Hagen
- Diezel Herbert
- Bogner Ecstasy
- Bogner Uberschall
- Bogner Shiva
Yash wrote:- Friedman BE-100 Deluxe
- Friedman Butterslax
Yash wrote:Once again, thank you IK for listening to us with the Mesa Boogie Collection 2. Just love the Mark IIC+.
by carlaz » Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:32 pm
Yash wrote:I'd also add a few more Marshalls
- Marshall 1959 Randy Rhoads (Let's do a Randy Rhoads collection?) - with matching cabinets
- Marshall 1992 LEM - Lemmy Signature - with matching cabinets
- Marshall YJM100
- Marshall JCM800 Zakk Wylde and Kerry King models
Cabinets -
- Marshall 1960DM Dave Mustaine Signature cabinets
- Marshall Randy Rhoads Cabinets
- Marshall 4x15 and 4x12 Bass cabinets - Lemmy Signature
- Marshall Mode Four cabinets - Kerry King used them
So, actually having a straight #1959 all-EL34 Superlead alongside the JH Gold (which is basically a Hendrix-modded JTM45/100) doesn't seem excessive at all. by squeezenor » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:26 pm
on board with a lot of the stuff here. would be curious to bring back the pre/power amp concept somehow.Yash wrote:Rack Preamps
Rack Poweramps
Rack Effect Units
- Eventide H3000 (I know modelling the entire unit is a big task, so, let us just insert external VSTs in the chain)
Amps (in no particular order)
- ENGL Savage 120
- ENGL Invader II
- ENGL Powerball II
- ENGL Fireball (with Marty Friedman and Mille Petrozza modes?)
- EVH 5150 III (switchable tubes,6L6 and EL34)
- Peavey JSX, Triple XXX II, or both
- Diezel Hagen
- Diezel Herbert
- Bogner Ecstasy
- Bogner Uberschall
- Bogner Shiva
- Friedman BE-100 Deluxe
- Friedman Butterslax
- Marshall DSL 2000
- Dumble
Modern Amp Collection -
- JP-2C
- Fillmore 100
- Badlander 100
- Lone Star Special or V2
Mesa Boogie pedals
Other pedals I'd like to see
- Seymour Duncan 805
- Klon Centaur (or a copy, like Wampler Tumnus, Way Huge Conspiracy Theory)
- JHS ColorBox (or a Console style preamp to overdrive)
- Boss Dimension C
always on board with more marshalls, but it's worth noting that two of these already exist in the vst world, and it might be hard to model a signature head without the involvement of the artist. then again, they've done it before. but it would be cool to see them involved.Yash wrote:I'd also add a few more Marshalls
- Marshall 1959 Randy Rhoads (Let's do a Randy Rhoads collection?) - with matching cabinets
- Marshall 1992 LEM - Lemmy Signature - with matching cabinets
- Marshall YJM100
- Marshall JCM800 Zakk Wylde and Kerry King models
Cabinets -
- Marshall 1960DM Dave Mustaine Signature cabinets
- Marshall Randy Rhoads Cabinets
- Marshall 4x15 and 4x12 Bass cabinets - Lemmy Signature
- Marshall Mode Four cabinets - Kerry King used them
by squeezenor » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:34 pm
carlaz wrote:Yes to all of this. Even though AmpliTube has a fair number of Marshall-based models, 1) there are a lot of real-world Marshall variants, and 2) there can basically never be too many Marshall models.
To this list, however, I would actually add a "standard Plexi" (or even early "metal-panel") Marshall Superlead model -- which, IMO, is a weird omission from AmpliTube's otherwise extensive roster of Marshall-based models.
Yes, the JH Gold is the closest thing, and it's one of my go-to" amp models in AmpliTube, but ... I mean, the JCM Slash models a "real-world" amp that was essentially a reissue of the "real-world" Silver Jubilee, which itself is modeled in the Brit Silver.
Just release a "Brit Plexi" model and have done!
by Yash » Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:43 pm
by carlaz » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:35 pm
squeezenor wrote:the jh gold does a good generic "plexi era" sound, and i generally pretend the red pig is the "real/official" plexi included, but since marshalls are so granular anyway, i'd be curious about a brit collection 2.
though it's probably true that (especially to modern ears, perhaps) a lot of "vintage" (i.e. pre-JCM800) Marshalls sound similar. (The older Brit Lead S100 obviously also gets into this territory.) And, yes, there was no doubt a fair deal of variation even between Marshalls rolling sequentially off the production line back in the day, and there is surely even more variation between surviving vintage Marshall some five decades further on! This does contribute to the challenge of determining "how much does a plexi sound like a plexi?". 
squeezenor wrote:another way to go about it would be to keep cranking out modern clones in the bogner/friedman vein. but i'd still rather see something like an orange or laney collection instead. some similar ground covered, but also something new and different.
by carlaz » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:55 pm
squeezenor wrote:it might be hard to model a signature head without the involvement of the artist. then again, they've done it before. but it would be cool to see them involved.
and have done. Or they could get together with Zakk and release an artist collection branded with his name (as obviously done with various other artists, living or dead) but not with Marshall's.by squeezenor » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:09 pm
it does get a bit difficult to parse. some folks want super leads and super basses and bluesbreakers and 45/100s and the pa things and some people are fine with just the 20 watt pink taco model. i just wish the "generic" models were a little clearer about what they were based on so you know what to use them for, but they are good and i'm not really complaining otherwise. the red pig is red, so there is that. but i'm not sure there's another marshall major model out there. i'm also not sure how different the major is than a plexi, real or imagined.carlaz wrote:Actually, I think the Red Pig is less like a "plexi" than is the JH Gold
On a side note, I think the Red Pig is one of the cooler bits of the Marshall-based lineup in AmpliTube. I'm not sure how many other Marshall Major plugins there are out there (if any).
it was the engl richie blackmore getting the generic model number in amplitube that i was thinking of.carlaz wrote:I've never been bothered about artist/manufacturer endorsements, though I suppose they help shift product. (I always remember that the Powerball model originally existed as just "based on", but then ENGL decided they liked it well enough that it got "blessed" with the official name and logo.)
But ... I suppose there is a difference between artist and manufacturer endorsements. I suspect (though I could be wrong) that Marshall has the lion's share of any decision-making process about the rights to the name of an artist's signature amplifier. Like, perhaps (but maybe only perhaps) they can go ahead and license someone to make a plugin version of the Randy Rhoads signature amp without any need to deal (again) with the estate of the late Mr. Rhoads, etc.
But. very definitely, it's obvious that individual artists can be involved with IKM in making models of their gear without the original manufacturers of that gear being involved. (E.g., the Satch VM models the Satriani-signature JVM410JS; it just isn't blessed by Marshall. Also, I can see that the Slash amps are still blessed with the official Marshall logo, though the various pedals in the Slash collection have always been just "based on".)
So, I presume that IKM could decide to model any random piece of gear, signature or not, that they got their hands on. They could get a Zakk Wylde-signature Marshall and model it without anyone's involvement, call it the "Wild 8000"
Or, possibly (but not certainly?), they could get together with Marshall and do an official Marshall-branded model of the Zakk Wylde-signature Marshall without Zakk's involvement (?), though perhaps he would get a cut of Marshall's share of the proceeds? But all this depends on how contracts are cut, and each contract (between artists and manufacturers, between manufacturers and plugin makers) is likely to be different.
by squeezenor » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:15 pm
i figure a full on rack gear emulation would be too weird, but maybe a few favorite presets or some basic parameters and they could just make it like the existing rack gear? that would be interesting if they could do some of the big eventide/tc electronic/alesis whoever else rack gear of the past. they are studio guys, so you have to figure something is possible.Yash wrote:Thanks for the answers guys. Never enough Marshall’s
If neither an Eventide model nor external VSTs are possible, the simplest satisfactory solution would be a micropitch pedal or rack unit. And the Yamaha SPX90 symphonic chorus.
For some gear, extracting the essential signature sound would suffice.
Also, forgot to include Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Rev F in the Mesa Legacy collection.
Still coming up with a complete pedal/rack effects list. However, please do remember, I’m a metal player, so, not the most knowledgeable. I’ll try my best though
by carlaz » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:48 pm
squeezenor wrote:you bring up something else i try to keep in mind regarding who is "most accurate" or the "best"; everyone is basing their model off of something different. after 50 years of wear and tear, none of them sound as they did when they left the factory. and the standard for what those amps are supposed to sound like was set decades ago with a bunch of studio gear involved.
squeezenor wrote:i doubt they could do an artist collection without that person's (estate) participating
squeezenor wrote:i'm not sure how they go about it. every artist collection has at least a couple of amps. it might not be worth it otherwise. even brian may got two (which made sense). slash got two that are pretty similar, but that's also defensible. with guys like rhoads or gilmour or wylde, they might have to think for a bit to come up with second and third amps, unless they don't mind a second version of something that already exists, and we already know that they don't.
That said, IKM could probably release a digital model of Gilmour's orange-juice squeezer and the fans would come out for it! There are a lot of guitar-playing (or at least guitar-owning!) Gilmour fans out there ....squeezenor wrote:i've never been an artist tone chaser so i don't have many feelings on the matter; the only thing i care about in the artist collections is the gear. aside from a few oversights like laney/iommi, i can't really think of much that isn't already in there somewhere.
squeezenor wrote:they're going to have to get creative to fluff up amplitube 6 max.
orange/vox/laney/hiwatt/matchless collections wouldn't hurt. if they can't swing that, maybe a second metal collection, based on more genre specific amps or uncommon cult favorites like sunn, matamp, marshall valvestate, randall, framus, peavey.
actually, a peavey collection might make sense, too. some of the vintage oddballs, the 80s/90s vtm/butcher/ultra models, a bandit, maybe a classic or two, a 6505 and an invective, or whatever current models are left. maybe toss in some of those handwired masterpiece or budda amps, too. peavey would have to throw in the towel on revalver, but haven't they already?
so more and newer models of everything are always going to be attractive. ). There are even free amp sims out there that you can pair with free IRs and, at least for certain tones, they are pretty good! I think another important issue is going to be about the usability of the software. One thing that AmpliTube has in its favor is that it has a fair number of gear options, and you can change them in and out fairly quickly if you know what you are doing. That's a huge advantage if you are messing around and looking for just the tone you need for this song or this mix or whatever. The danger is that it can obviously be overwhelming to newcomers -- just as being ushered into a studio full of pedals, amps, cabinets, mic, and rack gear while being told to set up what they need to get the tone they want would be. I think better ways to help users search, try, and organize presets will be key here. And that's a usability and perhaps UI issue, and not so much a technical (or modelling) issue. I wonder if a "Metal 2" collection might not be a double-edged sword? Firstly, there are now a fair number of high-gain amps available in AmpliTube: there are some Mesa models, the Powerball, the Satch and Dimebag stuff. Though I suppose it's always true that "too much is never enough"), what should actually be in Metal 2? (Other than, obviously, an updated Tube Screamer and HM-2! ) Secondly, there are also now some other well-known amp-sim makers whose high-end high-gain models seem to have found a certain degree of favor in the metal community. Should "Metal 2" intend to take those on in the project-studio world? Or should "Metal 2" aimed at us hobbyists who prefer to drop USD 30 on an amp model instead of USD 100 or whatever? ). I am not even sure who the younger guitar heroes are but there must be a few. (Everyone I think is younger actually turns out to be older .... )by carlaz » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:59 pm
squeezenor wrote:it does get a bit difficult to parse. some folks want super leads and super basses and bluesbreakers and 45/100s and the pa things and some people are fine with just the 20 watt pink taco model. i just wish the "generic" models were a little clearer about what they were based on so you know what to use them for, but they are good and i'm not really complaining otherwise. the red pig is red, so there is that. but i'm not sure there's another marshall major model out there. i'm also not sure how different the major is than a plexi, real or imagined.
squeezenor wrote:you bring up something else i try to keep in mind regarding who is "most accurate" or the "best"; everyone is basing their model off of something different. after 50 years of wear and tear, none of them sound as they did when they left the factory. and the standard for what those amps are supposed to sound like was set decades ago with a bunch of studio gear involved.
squeezenor wrote:i doubt they could do an artist collection without that person's (estate) participating
squeezenor wrote:i'm not sure how they go about it. every artist collection has at least a couple of amps. it might not be worth it otherwise. even brian may got two (which made sense). slash got two that are pretty similar, but that's also defensible. with guys like rhoads or gilmour or wylde, they might have to think for a bit to come up with second and third amps, unless they don't mind a second version of something that already exists, and we already know that they don't.
That said, IKM could probably release a digital model of Gilmour's orange-juice squeezer and the fans would come out for it! There are a lot of guitar-playing (or at least guitar-owning!) Gilmour fans out there ....squeezenor wrote:i've never been an artist tone chaser so i don't have many feelings on the matter; the only thing i care about in the artist collections is the gear. aside from a few oversights like laney/iommi, i can't really think of much that isn't already in there somewhere.
squeezenor wrote:they're going to have to get creative to fluff up amplitube 6 max.
orange/vox/laney/hiwatt/matchless collections wouldn't hurt. if they can't swing that, maybe a second metal collection, based on more genre specific amps or uncommon cult favorites like sunn, matamp, marshall valvestate, randall, framus, peavey.
actually, a peavey collection might make sense, too. some of the vintage oddballs, the 80s/90s vtm/butcher/ultra models, a bandit, maybe a classic or two, a 6505 and an invective, or whatever current models are left. maybe toss in some of those handwired masterpiece or budda amps, too. peavey would have to throw in the towel on revalver, but haven't they already?
so more and newer models of everything are always going to be attractive. ). There are even free amp sims out there that you can pair with free IRs and, at least for certain tones, they are pretty good! I think another important issue is going to be about the usability of the software. One thing that AmpliTube has in its favor is that it has a fair number of gear options, and you can change them in and out fairly quickly if you know what you are doing. That's a huge advantage if you are messing around and looking for just the tone you need for this song or this mix or whatever. The danger is that it can obviously be overwhelming to newcomers -- just as being ushered into a studio full of pedals, amps, cabinets, mic, and rack gear while being told to set up what they need to get the tone they want would be. I think better ways to help users search, try, and organize presets will be key here. And that's a usability and perhaps UI issue, and not so much a technical (or modelling) issue. I wonder if a "Metal 2" collection might not be a double-edged sword? Firstly, there are now a fair number of high-gain amps available in AmpliTube: there are some Mesa models, the Powerball, the Satch and Dimebag stuff. Though I suppose it's always true that "too much is never enough"), what should actually be in Metal 2? (Other than, obviously, an updated Tube Screamer and HM-2! ) Secondly, there are also now some other well-known amp-sim makers whose high-end high-gain models seem to have found a certain degree of favor in the metal community. Should "Metal 2" intend to take those on in the project-studio world? Or should "Metal 2" aimed at us hobbyists who prefer to drop USD 30 on an amp model instead of USD 100 or whatever? ). I am not even sure who the younger guitar heroes are but there must be a few. (Everyone I think is younger actually turns out to be older .... )